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FOXCONN China plant
« on: January 11, 2012, 08:45:42 PM »
 :-Xhere is the article. :-X

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/asia/china-microsoft-factory/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Beijing (CNN) -- Microsoft is investigating a report that workers at a Chinese plant that makes its Xbox game systems threatened mass suicide in a pay dispute, according to a statement issued Wednesday by the company's Hong Kong office.

CNN has not been able to confirm details of the dispute, but Microsoft and Foxconn, the plant owner, did respond to inquiries.

"Microsoft takes working conditions in the factories that manufacture its products very seriously, and we are currently investigating this issue," the Microsoft statement said.

Foxconn -- a Chinese contractor that makes brand-name electronics for companies such as Microsoft and Apple -- would only say that there was a protest at its Wuhan, China factory and it was over.

Foxconn's raised workers pay twice at its factory in Shenzhen, China in 2010 after a spate of suicides, Chinese state media reported at the time.

"We have a stringent Vendor Code of Conduct that spells out our expectations, and we monitor working conditions closely on an ongoing basis and address issues as they emerge," Microsoft's statement said. "Microsoft is committed to the fair treatment and safety of workers employed by our vendors and to ensuring conformance with Microsoft policy."

After the 2010 suicides at Foxconn, the company said it was taking measures to improve workers' lives, including organizing recreational activities, calling in Buddhist monks to offer spiritual consolation and setting up a 24-hour help line.

Foxconn, one of the world's top electronics manufacturers, also makes products for companies such as Dell, Hewlett Packard and Sony.

It employed at estimated 800,000 employees in China in October 2010.
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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 03:49:53 PM »
I've hated jobs before but wow...I wonder if conditions are that bad or if we are so different culturally that that sort of thing is accepted as protesting elsewhere. That just seems extreme.

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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 10:11:35 PM »
This is the second or third time it has happened.

I've hated jobs before but wow...I wonder if conditions are that bad or if we are so different culturally that that sort of thing is accepted as protesting elsewhere. That just seems extreme.


I think it's just as extreme everywhere. These people are doing it so it becomes an international issue, it's unlikely any change will happen without Foxconn clients abroad having input.
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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 02:46:00 AM »
This is the second or third time it has happened.


Second or third time they've committed suicide? Wow. I guess that reincarnation crap is real...

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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 03:26:08 AM »
This is the second or third time it has happened.


Second or third time they've committed suicide? Wow. I guess that reincarnation crap is real...

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Lmfao. Second or third time they have threatened to kill themselves. :D
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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 08:56:19 PM »
This is the second or third time it has happened.


Second or third time they've committed suicide? Wow. I guess that reincarnation crap is real...

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Lol. Well having to kill yourself a few times before they take you seriously kind of sucks.

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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 05:30:37 AM »
Don't make me do it! ...again! :D

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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2012, 08:48:38 PM »
I wonder if the conditions are really that bad...has any evidence been offered to support their claims?

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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 01:31:35 AM »
I wonder if the conditions are really that bad...has any evidence been offered to support their claims?


From what I have read elsewhere this time it wasn't about conditions it was a pay dispute. I doubt they are threatening suicide over nothing though...
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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 06:27:11 PM »
Give me five minutes...i'm gonna ask my boss for a raise now and see what he says...

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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 06:28:45 PM »
"...go ahead and get your pills/guns/knives ready. There will be no raises"
Hahahaha. I didn't even ask him for a raise...he knew what was coming.

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Re: Microsoft probes mass suicide threat at China plant
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 06:34:57 PM »
Also, please excuse the three messages in a row--didn't mean to spam,
Just wanted to  clarify, I think it's awful that pay and/or working condtions could possibly be so bad that employees would feel that this is their only resort, and by my joking I do not mean to make light of that. Just wanted to clarify.

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Should you feel guilty for buying your iPhone?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2012, 07:40:20 PM »
read this on cnn and figured i would share. here is the article.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/31/tech/gaming-gadgets/apple-boycott-commentary/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

(CNN) -- Last week, The New York Times gave us an inside look at what it's like to work at Foxconn, the manufacturing company that owns several China-based factories that crank out Apple's iPads, iPhones and iPods by the millions.

The story is full of examples of horrifying working conditions in Foxconn's factories that would never fly here in the United States. Here are some of the more troubling ones from the Times story:

Foxconn is a 24-hour operation. Employees work six days a week, sometimes in 12-hour shifts. They're on their feet for so long that their legs begin to swell. There are underage workers. They live in crowded dorms on the factory's campus. In recent years, there have been reports of workers leaping from buildings in apparent suicides.

And so on.

The story even describes the gruesome death of one Foxconn worker after an explosion in a facility that made iPads in Chengdu, China. The worker's "skin was almost completely burned away" by the blast, the Times reports. He died a few days later with his family by his side.
Apple threatened with product boycott
Report: Chinese workers threaten suicide

Foxconn denies the reports that working conditions are like what the Times describes. Apple refuses to comment on the record, but a leaked e-mail from CEO Tim Cook to all Apple employees says the company is committed to worker safety and that it takes all those claims very seriously.

So knowing all that, should we be concerned about where our iPhones and other gadgets come from and how they're made? Or is the human cost so far removed from us here in the United States that we're willing to look over it in favor of whatever fancy new touchscreen gadget Apple releases next?

The issue even has some people throwing around the idea of a boycott. One effort, hosted on the website Change.org, has collected more than 145,000 signatures from people calling on Apple to better protect its workers.

While those efforts sound noble, there's no way boycotting Apple gadgets will actually work.

Let's start with why people keep snapping up Apple's iPhones and iPads by the millions each week in the first place.

When it comes to smartphones and tablets, Apple still makes the best there are. With the iPhone and the iPad, the company set a new standard that other tech giants such as Google and Microsoft are still struggling to imitate. Apple can't make them fast enough. On launch days, people queue up in massive lines so they can be one of the first to get a new iPhone or iPad.

Even if consumers do know about what it took to make their new gadget, as many likely do thanks to the widespread reports on working conditions overseas, it's obviously not enough to keep them from getting caught up in the fervor of an Apple product launch.

I can't see that ending just because of a new story in The New York Times or a proposed boycott.

But it's not just about the massive popularity of Apple's gadgets that keep people buying. It's the price.

The latest and greatest iPhone model, the 4S, costs $199. iPads start at $499. One of the biggest reasons Apple can sell its stuff at such low prices is because they're produced on the cheap in China, sometimes by sacrificing good working conditions to make it happen. (If you believe the reports.)

Those cheap production costs are why a lot of the anger comes from the fact that Apple is a massively profitable company. Right now it has almost $100 billion sitting in the bank. It could use some of that cash to put more pressure on Foxconn and others to improve working conditions overseas.

A successful boycott could force Apple to make those changes, but consumers will have to sacrifice something, too.

In a poll from the Times that ran with its Foxconn story last week, most consumers thought companies such as Apple should make products in the U.S. but still absorb the added manufacturing costs.

In other words, consumers don't want to pay more for iPhones and iPads than they already do just to ensure factory workers get better working conditions. It's all about money.

So even if Apple moved production to the U.S. or managed to heavily invest in China and improve working conditions there, it would likely result in higher prices for consumers. For a profit-driven company such as Apple, there's almost no chance it would want to absorb those costs itself.

Yes, a lot of the heat on this issue has been put on Apple. But keep in mind it's not alone. Foxconn and similar manufacturers in Asia make gadgets for several other major consumer brands. It's not like suddenly switching from the iPhone to another smartphone will improve the lives of those who make it.

You may feel guilty buying an Apple product, but the problem won't be fixed until all electronics makers change, too.

In the end, consumers would be the ones who have to pay to make working conditions better for the people who make your iPhone. And it seems unlikely there are enough of you out there willing to do that.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Steve Kovach.

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Re: FOXCONN China plant
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 07:36:56 PM »
Thanks for the update again.

It's always tough to know in what conditions things are made. Sadly, I'm sure that it's more often bad than good. The hard part is that things often have to be priced lower to maintain competition. Does anyone think that if Apple decided to stop manufacturing overseas and brought it back to America that the sales wouldn't drop because of a price increase?

In harder economic times it's especially hard to balance affordability with social and civil responsibilities.