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this is something that i found on CNN.com and it is talking about china's fifth generation aircraft. here is the article.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/05/china.us.fighter.jets/index.html?hpt=T1

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(CNN) -- Images believed to be China's next generation of military air power have been buzzing around the internet, but Pentagon officials are insisting its appearance does not mean China has matched American air capabilities.

The new stealth fighter jet, known as the J-20, isn't supposed to be operational until at least 2017, but a Chinese air force commander told Chinese TV in 2009 that flight testing would begin much sooner. Stealth jets, such as the United States' F-22, are designed to evade detection by radar and anti-aircraft defenses.

Now unknown sources have posted photos of what appears to be the plane on an airfield runway in southwestern China.

"We are aware of their plans to develop this fifth-generation fighter," Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said Wednesday. "The photos that were released recently are presumably of some taxi testing."

The emergence of the photos come as Defense Secretary Robert Gates heads to China this weekend to discuss the military relationship between the U.S. and China. And later this month, President Hu Jintao is headed to Washington for a summit with President Barack Obama.

One China watcher says China's failure to censor the grainy images on the web prove the photos are of the new jet and the country wants them to circulate.

"The Chinese military and the police could have swept the area around the airfield very easily, but what they've done is they've controlled this. They've allowed Chinese to only take photos with cell phones, meaning that the photos that we have are low-resolution, do not give us a great deal of detail about the aircraft and they're put on the web with a low-resolution format," said China military scholar and author Richard Fisher. "The response within China has been overwhelmingly positive and has spurred national pride to an enormous degree."

The Pentagon is taking a low-key approach to the surge in publicity about the Chinese fighter, saying their existing top-of-the-line warplane has engine problems and that their next plane is years away. But Fisher says that timeline could be sped up if the Chinese buy an engine from Russia as opposed to developing it themselves.

"It's something that is in some form of development, as a fifth-generation fighter. As I noted, the Chinese are still having difficulties with their fourth-generation fighter." Lapan said in an off-camera question session with journalists in his office.

And he said that while the new jet was not mentioned in Pentagon's report on China that was sent to Congress in August as an annual update for China's defense capabilities, the Defense Department has talked about it.

"We as a department have publicly spoken about it in the past. It is not as if we have not acknowledged that they are pursuing a fifth-generation fighter," Lapan said. "So we are aware of it. But it is not of concern that they are working on a fifth-generation fighter."

Fisher, however, says it should be a concern, citing the Chinese jet's potential ability to overtake that of America's F-22 in thrust and "supercruise" speed, which is the ability to fly supersonically without using fuel-guzzling afterburners.

"We can't say precisely what the capabilities are, but we have a good idea. Right now, we should be reviving production of the F-22 and not just reviving production, we should be developing an advance version of the F-22," said Fisher. "And sadly even though it is a troubled program, already the F-35 needs another rework. It needs to be made competitive with this fighter."

The F-22 was scaled back in production in 2009. The production of the F-35, which is being developed and tested, could be slowed under Gates' budget-cutting initiative.

In 2009, Gates said that no nation comes close to U.S. air power, and he anticipated the Chinese having only "a handful" of fighters that challenges the U.S. advanced fleets by 2025. But Fisher cautions that this Chinese jet could cause a change in the balance of power in the Pacific.

"Since WWII, the American military has never gone into battle without the assurance of air superiority. China is a rising power, and it is determined to challenge the American position globally," said Fisher. "This fighter will allow them to do that on a military level....and from my perspective, that's simply unacceptable."


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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2011, 07:01:25 AM »
only one thing needs to be said

The plane is Chinese. And that's all I have to say about that.

JK. Chinese can't make high quality products to save their lives. They export the best things they can manage to make, and although the quantity of their exports can be staggering, the lack-luster tendencies to break right out of the box kinda defeats the whole thing. They focus on making as much as they can as fast as they can as cheap as they can, but that means they spend so little money making their products that short if giving their shit away for free, there is no way to lose money.

The same goes for their military industry. Anything that they didn't buy from Russia is shit. Chinese industry, instead of trying to make solid original designs of their own, relies on reverse engineering other designs and making cheap-ass copies to export. That's China's main fault. In their mad dash to increase exports, get rich, and make a booming economy, they have built their export empire on things that won't work like European, American, or even Russian products that may not be the cheapest things in the world, do what they were designed to do.

Sure, right now, in the wake of a semi-global financial crisis, people are fine with sacrificing product quality to save money. but as soon as we have a stable economy with dependable growth, people will start buying more expensive things because they can afford it and China will see almost exactly what we just saw. Granted, that may not happen in any of your or even in my lifetime. Say, beyond 2080, when you all are turning over in your graves and I'm an old geezer yelling at the little whipper-snappers buzzing my house in their flying cars.

My point is, Chinese-made stuff is shit. This new fighter probably is shit as well. America still and always will kick ass. (At least until the armageddon Omega's planning for happens. In which case, everybody's screwed, so it doesn't matter.)

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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2011, 07:21:03 PM »

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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2011, 07:28:46 PM »
FREAKING GREAT!

Couldnt have been planned better. Same ole..same ole..we make great products and they make cheap run off's. hehehe!
Good post Naz.

Knew it was going to happen sooner or later...but the Timing just GREAT...yeah. Just Great  :-[
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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2011, 07:54:00 PM »
But..with the money we are spending...I bet we got a next generation already completed, and working on a 3Rd! One cxould only hope...not that I want to support the Empire, but when the shit hits the fan..we better have some sort of edge!

I'm all for having the best ..most mondern Defence in the true sence of the word...but good gawd 1.5 trillion...thats annually? Holy shit.
We better have something.
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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2011, 08:47:13 PM »
Yeah Im bettin by the time they get these things operational we will have something way more advanced on the way.  Here is an example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqi_5GRRYMY.  We will always be a step ahead of everyone else.  These other countries cant develop their own so by the time they get their hands on information it will take many years.  We will be shooting down their stealth with our unmanned Mach 3 fighters LOL!

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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2011, 11:56:28 PM »
Mach 3 was news in 1960. They're working on an unmanned hypersonic vehicle that can do mach 20. And if they admit to mach 20, you know as well as i do it's way faster than that.

http://dvice.com/archives/2011/08/darpa-mach-20-t.php

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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2011, 12:16:40 AM »
Yeah I read about that.  Just wondering how long its going to take them to make it a viable war machine that works the way they want it too.  It would be cool to have something like that in say 10 years.

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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 02:46:05 AM »
actually, it could be weaponized right now. just add a nuke set for impact or a certain amount of impact and there u go, the first plowed into the ocean, plow this one into some country... would be tough as hell to shoot down i'll say that much!

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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2011, 05:51:51 AM »
Yeah, I'm with NC. Mach 20? that'll fly you round the globe in half an hour. if something going that fast hits anything but water, you got yourself quite the impressive mess to clean up.

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Re: Is China closer than thought to matching U.S. fighter jet prowess?
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2011, 04:29:05 AM »
i dont think we need to be worried with atmospheric flight, we need to focus on space flight, cause the sooner we get a space station that has REGULAR visitors, the more we can start adding more solar arrays and start the plans for a power tether to the surface of the earth and start tapping even more concentrated amounts of solar energy, cause some forms or solar energy is blocked by the ozone and other atmospheric layers, some of those radiations can have a slightly better effect on solar panels and increase efficiency. but unfortunately, after all that i have watched and thought and did a shit load of math over, the only decent way to get a solar energy grid for the entire planet, hell even just the us, needs to be a ring of solar panels that are on a gimbal, but as most people know, a ring with only one point of contact with a hub will not keep its balance and fail, so unfortunately, it'll have to be 3 and ironically, theres 3 major powers in the world right now, but some are not fully unified either, so keep that in mind, north/south america, africa(but the european countries run this one) and of course china. each point would be at the equator, where else for the best possible balance and synchro rate for the earths rotation? also getting away from the solar stuff right quick, even mach 20 in space, ISNT THAT FAST!!! theres debris in order going faster than most fighter jets can fly and easily out run them! thus my point all together, we're still obsessed with fighting other humans, we need to get our act together and realize, theres more for us than just sitting on this one planet, other hospitable worlds lay out there and we've found them, we just need to get there, mach 20 is a decent start IF it'll work in space and if not, oh well but peoples way of thinking needs to change, the economy is starting to remind me of the 1950-70s. tech is improving yes but humanity as a whole is not. i'm not saying religion is bad or anything like that but the ones that are extremists are the ones that need to be taken out, not the religion. to most people, a religion is a set of guidelines to help them get through life, i personally dont agree to that, i live my life according to my own beliefs not something that someone supposedly said centuries ago. either way, be it flying through the air at mach 20 or more, or in space towards a new planet to explore or constructing a global means of helping the economy in every nation, humanity essentially needs to man up and start looking at the REAL big picture and start making the right choices that would be the best for everyone.

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