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Well,

I did it. Went out and bought 1 ounce Gold, 15 ounces silver, and 4 US silver dollars dated 1891, 1883, 1884,1890.

Now the thing with the silver dollars, is not only do they acquire worth from the silver in them, but also how old they are. So I added a little diversification to this experiment. During the next weeks or months, when it suits me, I will post how they are doing according to the stock market prices, and my investment in the coins.
I tottally plan to further increase my holding should after time it is clearer, what they are doing according to net gain or losses, and thus I can make adjustments as well.

Cost of investment here in Washington State with retail percentage transaction fee. (Which is always a percent of market price)
It would appear there is actually no Sales Tax on these items, so the only cost is retail sales fee:

Canadian Maple Leaf
Gold Bullion             1oz                   @1313.00                total: 1313.00

Silver Rounds 1 oz
Silver Bullion           1oz 15 of them @19.85ea                 total:  297.75

Silver Eagles           1 dollar             @24.00ea                 total: 96.00
1883
1884
1890
1891

Cost of total investment: $1706.75
Net worth of investment to date: 1706.75 

He also gave me a site to check out, that watches the markets prices of the bullion. Also, the retail percentage bonus is applied back upon sale of the bullion (Will get further details in near future on this). But for any gains in the coins, I will have to call him to get those from time to time. I'm going to goggle it tho, and see if I cant find something myself.


So here we go with ManimalLECTORS fuck'd if we do, fuck'd if we don't small investment Watch.

I just looked, it would already cost me 2 dollars more to purchase the Maple Leaf, but the Silver is harder to judge, cause you get lower sales prices as you buy more of them...in other words buying bulk in silver is the way to maximize profit.. And is not listed at 15 of them (I'm going to have to increase this stock of coins). I'll have to call him tomarrow, so he can explain this just a little more. But so far, I'm having blast just screwing around with it. But from what I can tell, I'm already up in the gold, but down in the silver!!!! hehehe...kinda fun though. :laugh:

Web site used by Coins Plus using market prices for cost Adjustments:

Coins Plus, Inc.
http://coinsplus.com/index.php



                         
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2010, 05:32:19 AM »
Well,

Thanks to Jetmech a couple days ago, I have a better site for my Gold watch. And just by simply goggling along the same lines I found a nice site for the silver market as well.

But as a bonus, there is a nice little video on it, describing how much silver may rise in the near future. It also covers a much higher demand for it, while supplies are going lower. Future looks bright with a return much higher then gold.
But these sites simply follows the market, so much easier to understand.

I will have to call Court Peterson tomarrow to better understand the Coins plus site, and get the inside scoop on the entire return should I sell back to them. Now since I have never played with gold or silver, or even coins for that matter, I'm hoping, by taking a more proactive approach to this, I might help others who are wondering how to maybe more secure their futures as well.

Sure 1700 dollars was a big gamble for a test, but without it the rest is mere speculation without interest, and that is bullshit. "Either buck up, or shut the fuck up, I say."

Here's the Silver site and small video and additional topic links. I'm sure they update this stuff, so better check it out quick.

Monex Precious Metals
http://www.monex.com/why/silver_market.html?gclid=CKj8293tt6ICFRJWagodoV0o6A


And now the gold Site Jetmech was nice enough to show me that really shows the history of gold dating back 20 years:

Gold Price
http://goldprice.org/gold-price-history.html

So now I, or we, have a couple ways to examine whats happening.

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Re: DoC's "Just in case the Sh*T hits the fan!" Investment and tracking.
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2010, 05:44:09 AM »
Here's the silver counterpart to that gold site.

http://silverprice.org/silver-price-history.html

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2010, 05:50:32 AM »
Very Nice Jetmech,

Be sure to check out the real small video on the site I found as well. It also has some additional topics concern all this, you just got to play around on it for a bit. It's interesting Bro. I know...you think I'm nuts...but inspired peeps sometimes come off that way. hehehe!
I screwed up the link to mine, but it's fixed now, and I'll hit your link and save it to my favorites as well.
Anything that feeds us more information is GOOD!
MORE...more...more...feed me more.
 
Thanks bud.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2010, 06:06:10 AM »
Well,

After looking at the history..it's a little spooky for sure. I already knew that it was, I just didnt know to that degree. But that doesnt scare me yet, just nervous a little. From what I've gathered off the net and TV, I'm still confident. You just got to ride out the lows...even with Gold.

But since silver is so much more cheaper, I chose to double down with the Silver eagles as well. Hell those silver dollars were more then the silver bullion it'self. So maybe with silver, I might be able to achieve some sort of medium in low times, and maybe clean up, when the price goes skyward with a more diverisfied investment. Only time will tell.

Bad thing about all this, is I doubt I can invest enough to make a difference in time should the world go splat. The good thing about this, is in the long run, I'm now working on my retirement should none of the other economic bullshit happen. But to really achieve something here, I'm going to have to get me a 100 Rounds and maybe 20 Eagles...all together to do anything good.
And making addition Gold investments will be way few and far inbetween. Bad thing about gold, anything less then an ounce cost more. In the big picture, tough all the way around. Yet...better security.

Rome wasnt built in a day, and this investment is a good start till I know more about everything there is to do, look out for, maybe better investments in the same game.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2010, 01:19:23 PM »
i might have to get into that once i free up some cash. early next year.

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2010, 01:57:14 PM »
Well Omega,

I really have been reading alot of good stuff on Silver. Even far better then gold. And it's fairly cheap in comparison. 100.00 bucks here and there will slowly get you cranking now. Thats if you can. Thats 5 ounces.

I really have seen good stuff. Some forecastes put it going to 74.00 an ounce. Thats more then triple the investment. Even if double was all you could do....it beats the shit out of a saving account. But I'm only suggesting you do this if you can. I been saving for a while, and have had some cash sitting in my checking account since after Xmass. Thought I'd give it a try wihtout really hurting myself, and hopefully I'll earn more then my bank rate on my savings..in the long run anyway.

If you got time, visit the net. Thats were I started. They are coming out with new uses, and China is buying allot of it. But for quick referrence, I was playing around on those investemnt sites of mine and jets we found. Of course they are going to say it's good, but it's right on track with the news, and the other scources I've seen, then those who directly gain from your investment. Check it out. I wouldnt tell you to trust them though if it didnt jive with my other scources.

It looks pretty promising. Enough for me to take a chance and I've never screwed around here before, not even the stock market.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 02:42:30 PM »
i think i will start with sliver. 1 bar of sliver (10oz.) for $180.00 i think i might buy next month one bar and and 10 oz of of sliver coins. i thought i would be more expensive than that for sliver. guess i have to buy a safe now. :)

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2010, 02:52:23 PM »
where did you buy yours from?

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2010, 03:07:50 PM »
Well I first asked my bank about it.....

Fuckers...I have no idea how banks say they have gold backing but got no gold to sell. So ...next I went to a coin shop. You can buy bars of silver there, but CoinsPlus didnt offer little gold bars...only the Gold ounces. But silver, is different, they offer single silver ounces in coins as well as little bars ...well the silver Bullion Coins are bigger then a fifty cent piece, but smaller then the bars.

YEA...silver looks better even for the return you get then gold anyway. I bought the gold cause it's not as volitile. But you see...gold is more eternal, meaning it stays in cirulation longer. Most things with gold use it, but then it can be transferred back to ounces and reused. Where theres alot more silver uses that is a one shot deal. Like Medical uses...once used it's out of circulation forever. Thats why it's so up and downy. Stocks get depleted faster, or they can rise just as fast.

Hell here in northern Idaho...the silver mines were hurting in the lower to mid 90's. But they have all been doing great, and re-hiring as 2000 came along. And with China really cranking up, the amount of Silver produced each year, will not be able to keep up with those demands that do not keep silver on the market, and are one shot deals. Dig?

So...just go to a coin shop with a very good rep Omega. They will set you up. I went to CoinsPlus and my reps name is Court Peterson. IF things do what I think they will do...an investment now while price is low, well, you'll thank yourself for trying...and it's not really to much of a gamble. But call around first. different shops charge different percentage sales rates. But at least there was no Sales tax....so your not fucked twice. At least not hear in Washington.

Now that I got my first ounce of Gold, I'll be investing all my spare cash into silver , and just silver for a while. I want a 100 ounces and 20 silver eagles. At 100 ounces the sale price is even cheaper. buying them like I did, at just 15 is still going to be great, but if it hadnt been for the gold, I would have saved myself a nice some going with 60 right off the bat.
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2010, 06:48:22 PM »
OK,

I called Court Peterson to understand this market more and how it works. IT all comes down to supply as well as demand, dependant on the spot price per ounce. The interest fee is not static...it too can go up and down according to the market. So you may buy it one day for a certain percentage of the spot price as a fee, And it could very well be different the very next day.

So, for instance, at least in Washington there is no tax on Gold and silver, but you must check with your own state laws on this. However, when I purchased my gold the fee was 6% over spot price. Now I asked him well what are the high and lows of this, and he said he had seen it as high as 71/2% but also as low as 41/2 %.

Now when you sell your gold, he will buy it back for 1% over spot price, to as much as 2% below spot price, and that depends again on the factors in the market.

For the Silver buying it is usually 1% above Spot, to 2% under spot is lowest...and the selling of it instead is going for 1.00 to 1.25 over spot price on high end to .50 under spot in times of more supply.

Moral of the story is, Gold and Silver is not like the Stock Market. It is a longer term investment, and you should wait until your at least 10% to 15% above your buying price to sell. And this is alright, cause the indicators say we will be going way past this anyway. So here's your first warning. Your going to have to sit on it a while...so no investing with anything other then what you can invest safely, and not need. Cause if you sell it for less then 8-10%, your taking a chance of breaking even or maybe even selling at a small loss.

However Guys, and here's the thing. Any gold you buy is immune to inflation. Not the gold you purchase tommarrow, but what you have today is. So say you buy a ounce of gold like I did yesterday. That's a done deal. No matter what I bought it at...it is immune to inflation. So say the dollar dives tomarrow. Now the gold market is the same, no change...as far as supply and demand goes...but because of inflation, that same ounce that costs me 1300.00 now costs 1500.00 dollars. See, you can have no movement what so ever in the gold market, either way, but it's going to cost you so much more to buy it, cause the dollar is worth so much less.

Here's another example of how this could work...say I buy the same ounce at 1300.00, but now the gold goes down in price. It's selling at 1000.00 in real worth according to supply and demand, because there's some new mines that opened up, and now there's more on the market. So it's actually worth less....BUT because of Inflation....you could still see a fake profit, so that 1000.00 dollar ounce of gold, is actually selling at 1500.00. so if inflation hits...even if the gold market sucks, your investment in it will still secure you a larger supply of "toilet paper"...oooops...sorry..dollar bills.

And that is by far a better reason to invest in gold and silver, then leaving it in your bank account. As you slowly build your supply of both, your by far better protected then leaving it your bank. Cause if you leave that 1300 dollars there, under the same theory...it would actually only be worth 1100 dollars in true buying power.

What this is all about, is not getting rich. But it is about keeping yourself secure against an inflationary period. Guys we are already seeing it. If you have gone to the store and bought food, especially meat, you will have noticed by now, the price of things are going up.

Everything I've seen says it will get far worse, and should we hit hyperinflation...well I've showed you enough video's on the 2012 thread, about what has happened here in the US, as well as Germany, and other countries in the past. Inflation is a given. There's no doubt whatsoever, we are going there, but Hyperinflation can still be avoided if our government changes it's policies today.

Well I have no Faith in this. They haven't been making the right choices in a long time, though Clinton wasn't quite as destructive as Bush and Obama by far. By investing in gold and silver, your doing two things if you wait to sell at higher prices: 1 your going to gain from the demand of each, as it goes to the roof, mainly because of China, by just regular market cycles, and 2, Should the inflationary rate rise, which it will do, your securing your future buying power......and if Hyperinflation occurs, which is dependant on the decisions of our government right now, these assets are going to be your only savior. Cause with hyperinflation, you could win a lottery, but that million dollars isn't going to do a thing for you.
So your gaining twice...through increases in demand, combined with inflation, your Gold and silver could, if hit by both, is "Going to the MOON...Alice!"

And that is why you should buy gold and silver, or the Food market. And I'm sure there are a few other things to look into. But corporate stocks...US Treasury Bonds...Gas and energy, they cant save you. Cause as the dollar falls so will they. Or become flat to expensive to buy.

That's why now is the time to invest everything that you can spare, without hurting yourself or your families. Cause it will all add up, and one day...could very well be the best and biggest monetary fund you can depend on. It doesnt seem like even your house is a secure asset to fall back on should things get very bad. But I'd have to check on the housing market factors before saying this is true.

Major inflation is coming. There are no doubts about this. 100 dollars in gold today....could be worth 1000's and hundreds of thousands should things really get worse. At least here in the US. For you peeps that aren't from the US, well your going to have to examine your own countries situation and fiscal policies. Before you follow any of this advice, as I'm positive the situation changes according to which country we are taking about.

But..maybe just maybe...everything is going to be fine and Atlantis will rise from the Ocean after capping the Gulf Oil leak to smite the Banking Elite. But I'm not seeing it. I'm going for a little security. but thats my decision, you will all have to make your own.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2010, 08:15:23 PM »
doc, you sold me on the idea. i have to travel out of town to the nearest coin store. i like the idea for two reasons. one, if things turn to shit i will be able to make alot of money during that period by selling the gold or silver back. two, if nothing happens it will be a very good long term investment. better then the stock market. i will try to talk my friend into buying some silver when i do. at this current price anyone can buy silver. roughly $20 for every oz.

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2010, 09:29:08 PM »
GREAT!

I'm not telling anyone to sell the farm, unless they can get it's real price right now, but anything, 100 dollars go for it. Of course I did say there is a better buying price for buying them in bulk Silver bullion Coins.

I didnt do this, on the day I bought them...I got them for 19.85 each. And only bought 15, cost me 297.75....so
I cant quote you those bulk prices..but here is today difference and todays bulk prices are still cheaper then what I bought my singles for yesterday:

This is the price of Coinplus adjusted rate including the transaction fee today (Prices change minute by minute..but it is counted in a few cents):

 60 to 100 $19.82
 
120 to 480 $19.75
 
500 or more $19.67

But the site doesnt show todays price for a single, or I haven't seen where's it's listed. But those are todays bulk rates. So you can save a wee bit by buying more..however the difference isnt enough to sweat it. Only if your able. 60 of them would have cost me almost as much as the Gold bullion...At todays price 1189.20.

If I had to make a guess..I'd say singles are selling for about 19.89-19.94 today.

I'm just trying to help guys. And I lead by example. Or try to in most things in my life.
There's more work to be done here for sure. More to clarify, more to check out.
But you got to start somewhere.

And everyone must make their own decisions.
But this is what I believe.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2010, 09:39:27 PM »
well when you come across good ideas as these let me know.

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2010, 12:03:46 AM »
Go ahead and buy that silver Bro,

Buying 5 is a good start, or a combo of the bullion and Silver Eagles. As soon as I find out more stuff, I'll be posting. But, I'm not alone anymore Omega, I'm getting pm's, talking on the phone. And everyone I've talked too has the same information about the Gold and Silver. By the numbers, buying in bulk isnt that big of a deal, not really. You save, but you spend at the sametime.
I recrunch the numbers for bulk buying verse singles...at 60.

Today (at this hour) you can get 60 at this price bulk:
60@ 19.87 = 1192.20

Verse buying same amount at single price. Now I dont have the single price, but the CoinPlus site has different bulk prices, for different numbers, and it appears to go in multiples of 7 or 8 cents per troy ounce....so I'm simply adding 8 cents to the price for 60 as well...which comes to 19.95 which seems about right..there only being a different of 10 cents from yesterday:

60@ 19.95 = 1197.00

Net savings is only 4.80

In other words, with small differences like that, it's meant for those who can possibly buy thousands of these things to make a major impact. Thats not my bag anyway, nor yours from what you have said to me. I wont be buying a 100 next time, but I will be buying maybe 10 to 20 at a time. 200-400 dollars worth when I have it to spare.

Moral of the Story...buying 5 at a time, or a hundred dollars worth is absolutely fine and a Great Start. And really makes little difference whether you buy 5,10,15,20...or even go with the 60.

 
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